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Sometimes, being the fool is the true genius.
2005-08-22 - 11:30 a.m.
Huggybear747 (2:08:57 AM): education is such a sacred thing to people.
OctopusFleg (2:09:42 AM): is that good or bad in your opinion
Huggybear747 (2:10:00 AM): It
is all around you. To hold it in such high regard in certain locations
like school or college is bullshit to me and narrow-minded in the most
ironic and funny way
Huggybear747 (2:10:44 AM): I learned more at a factory making plastic bottles then I ever did in a classroom.
OctopusFleg (2:10:51 AM): thats true
Huggybear747 (2:10:59 AM): how do you know?
OctopusFleg (2:11:06 AM): well i learned the most in classes that i got less than perfect grades in
OctopusFleg (2:11:47 AM): not that thats a perfect comparison
OctopusFleg (2:11:51 AM): but i get the idea
Huggybear747 (2:11:56 AM): yeah.
OctopusFleg (2:12:01 AM): its how u define education
Huggybear747 (2:12:14 AM): why even define it?
OctopusFleg (2:12:27 AM): education in a school is really just learning whats in certain books
Huggybear747 (2:12:41 AM): feel it. Absorb it. It is what it is. life in the raw.
OctopusFleg (2:13:28 AM): unfortunatly education, as deemed by "educators" is only a certain narrow definition
Huggybear747 (2:13:43 AM): education is just a regimented way of understanding things.....to understand things is to essentially live and to live freely
OctopusFleg (2:14:41 AM): yes
OctopusFleg (2:15:03 AM): i guess education is the path to understanding things
OctopusFleg (2:15:07 AM): and for schools
OctopusFleg (2:15:16 AM): they find one way that seems to work the best
OctopusFleg (2:15:36 AM): and many times neglect to mention that there are other ways
Huggybear747 (2:17:25 AM): no neglect. School will tell you flat out they can't hand the world over to you.
OctopusFleg (2:18:00 AM): maybe
OctopusFleg (2:18:06 AM): thats a little extreme though
OctopusFleg (2:18:10 AM): don't u think
Huggybear747 (2:18:20 AM): the neglect is in the mind that expects it, the "learning" to just appear
Huggybear747 (2:18:32 AM): what? What's extreme?
OctopusFleg (2:19:07 AM): how does school tell you that they can't hand the world over to you
Huggybear747 (2:20:04 AM): School
is what you essentially make out of it. You can pay millions of dollars
to attend it, sit in and listen to the most fabulous professors, but
what is it worth despite you saying it being the "Best" way if you
don't want or don't even know how to approach what you understand of
yourself and what you want to understand of what you sense around you
Huggybear747 (2:20:05 AM): ?
OctopusFleg (2:21:12 AM): well understanding yourself and education never went hand in hand
Huggybear747 (2:21:13 AM): College can only give you a slip of paper, not an education, they give you the tools, but they don't build the boat
OctopusFleg (2:21:17 AM): formal education anyway
OctopusFleg (2:21:23 AM): thats true thuogh
OctopusFleg (2:21:36 AM): i think a lot of people go through there entire lives
Huggybear747 (2:21:37 AM): and it's even up to you on how to use those tools
Huggybear747 (2:21:45 AM): no school says they can guarantee you a job
Huggybear747 (2:21:50 AM): or a career
OctopusFleg (2:21:51 AM): getting good jobs and families without knowing themselves
OctopusFleg (2:22:54 AM):
so for a lot of people, if u can get by without it, why worry about it,
and moreover, why should an college or any school worry about it
OctopusFleg (2:23:12 AM): thats true
Huggybear747 (2:23:28 AM): college and schools are businesses Steve, they need the business
OctopusFleg (2:24:15 AM): maybe they keep the narrow path of education to instill order in people
Huggybear747 (2:24:26 AM): people
are afraid to take the leap in life and career and being "on your own"
enough even without the decision between college, some college, or no
college
OctopusFleg (2:24:41 AM): thats true
OctopusFleg (2:24:51 AM): everyone wants to stay in school as long as they can
OctopusFleg (2:24:59 AM): its comfertable
Huggybear747 (2:25:52 AM): well, judging by your spelling error, COMFERTABLE.....you need to stay in school a bit longer. It's ComfOrtable.
OctopusFleg (2:26:34 AM): hey
OctopusFleg (2:26:38 AM): u know i can't spell
OctopusFleg (2:26:44 AM): i don't blame school
OctopusFleg (2:27:17 AM): i don't let spelling get in the way of meaning
Huggybear747 (2:27:17 AM): I blame drugs.
OctopusFleg (2:27:26 AM): see schooling did that to you
OctopusFleg (2:27:54 AM): if my spelling gets its point across even if it is by english standards wrong, is it really wrong
Huggybear747 (2:28:00 AM): Steve, you sound like an idiot. School or no school right now.
OctopusFleg (2:28:09 AM): it sound about the same when u say it
OctopusFleg (2:28:11 AM): hahaha
OctopusFleg (2:28:14 AM): no i don't
OctopusFleg (2:28:16 AM): come on
Huggybear747 (2:28:16 AM): At least you could type and say things in proper english.
OctopusFleg (2:28:21 AM): u gotta admit
Huggybear747 (2:28:34 AM): You need to write more.
OctopusFleg (2:28:44 AM): but thats schooling, that narrow schooling that has shaped you to abide by those rules
OctopusFleg (2:28:48 AM): it bugs u
OctopusFleg (2:28:50 AM): i know
OctopusFleg (2:29:14 AM): so the schooling has had its desired effect on you
Huggybear747 (2:29:15 AM): Yes it does, because you are shitting on a beautiful thing called "language."
OctopusFleg (2:29:48 AM): language
Huggybear747 (2:29:53 AM): THE ONE AND ONLY CONVEYOR OF THOUGHTS AND IDEAS
OctopusFleg (2:30:03 AM): thats true
Huggybear747 (2:30:05 AM): the least you could do is do it right.
OctopusFleg (2:30:21 AM): eh, huck finn was a top seller....
Huggybear747 (2:30:40 AM): Your literary references do not WOW me.
OctopusFleg (2:30:42 AM): it conveyed many thoughts and ideas
OctopusFleg (2:30:47 AM): i know they don't
OctopusFleg (2:30:58 AM): i never claimed that they should
Huggybear747 (2:31:02 AM): Yeah, but that was done in a context
OctopusFleg (2:31:04 AM): but that does prove a point
Huggybear747 (2:31:06 AM): a historical context.
Huggybear747 (2:31:18 AM): You are a grown assed man Steve.
OctopusFleg (2:31:32 AM): ideas can be expressed, profound ideas, sometimes even better in ones own language
Huggybear747 (2:31:55 AM): And the only thing that separates you from being a pothead and a true student when talking philosophy is your elequence.
OctopusFleg (2:32:20 AM): exactly
OctopusFleg (2:32:34 AM): but the elequence is learned
OctopusFleg (2:32:37 AM): thruogh schooling
OctopusFleg (2:33:28 AM):
its weird to think that there are geniuses out there, in africa and
other places, only no one has any idea because they can't express it
Huggybear747 (2:33:39 AM): not schooling..........listening.
OctopusFleg (2:33:53 AM): their lack of elequence doesn't make them any less genius
OctopusFleg (2:34:13 AM): it just means they are using the only system they know
OctopusFleg (2:34:39 AM): rich northeners have elequence in their speech
OctopusFleg (2:35:08 AM): because that is how they were raised, and though we might percieve them to be "more intelligent" they could be absolute idiots
Huggybear747 (2:35:16 AM): Well,
you know, a retarded kid on the side of the road selling pumpkin pie
could have the cure for all disease in his head but what do I care?
He's retarded and I'm gonna get that pumpkin pie on the cheap if he
kept his filthy hands off it and wrapped it good and tight.
OctopusFleg (2:35:18 AM): they just sound like they know what their doing
OctopusFleg (2:35:25 AM): and in america, that flys...
OctopusFleg (2:36:06 AM): i don't think thats a good example
OctopusFleg (2:36:13 AM): hahaha
OctopusFleg (2:36:32 AM): elequence in speech doesn't have to mean anything
Huggybear747 (2:36:38 AM): it's a great example.
OctopusFleg (2:36:49 AM): it could be a sign that someone is deeply intellectual
OctopusFleg (2:37:16 AM): or it could simply be a sign that someone partook in that "narrow educational system" u described before
Huggybear747 (2:37:22 AM): How are you going to bag chicks talking like you got marbles in your mouth?
OctopusFleg (2:38:13 AM): i say the word comfortable
OctopusFleg (2:38:22 AM): correctly
OctopusFleg (2:38:25 AM): so it doesn't matter
Huggybear747 (2:38:37 AM): Steve, go on making your typos, I'll try my best to not think you're retarded or high
OctopusFleg (2:39:05 AM): hey
OctopusFleg (2:39:17 AM): i have a point
Huggybear747 (2:39:29 AM): You have a point? When did this happen?
OctopusFleg (2:39:38 AM): last month
OctopusFleg (2:39:46 AM): in a freak peanut accident
OctopusFleg (2:40:30 AM): ur counter examples aim to demean
OctopusFleg (2:40:39 AM): despite the fact that my point is valid
Huggybear747 (2:41:05 AM): Steve,
when you talk to a bozo, you carry a bottle of seltzer in your back
pocket. When you talk to a doctor, you carry a bottle of seltzer in
your back pocket. Do you get what I'm saying?
OctopusFleg (2:41:41 AM): but i don't
OctopusFleg (2:41:53 AM): i see what u are saying
Huggybear747 (2:41:58 AM): The only thing that is getting "Demeaned" is the english language itself.
OctopusFleg (2:42:07 AM): in your opinion
OctopusFleg (2:42:42 AM): in a casual online conversation, i hardly think that mispelled words deserve that much attention
Huggybear747 (2:43:33 AM): I do.
OctopusFleg (2:44:20 AM): it would be demeaning if it were careless in a published piece
OctopusFleg (2:44:37 AM): but i suppose we differ in opinion on this matter
Huggybear747 (2:45:58 AM): I love grammar errors in great literary works.
Huggybear747 (2:46:04 AM): Makes me feel like a genius.
OctopusFleg (2:46:13 AM): i bet you do
OctopusFleg (2:46:37 AM): and do u think it detracts from the ethos of the author
OctopusFleg (2:46:55 AM): or do you blame the editor and publisher
Huggybear747 (2:47:37 AM): nah, I just feel like a genius. Why even think farther then that? Usually you know what they're trying to say and you move on.
Huggybear747 (2:49:20 AM): What's a spelling error got on Shakesphere?
Huggybear747 (2:49:28 AM): yaknowhatimsayin?
OctopusFleg (2:49:38 AM):
so a piece of published literature with a mistake in it does not take
away from the authors ethos and an online conversation that will
probably never be recorded and certainly never published, with a
mistake in it does?
OctopusFleg (2:49:58 AM): i gotcha
Huggybear747 (2:50:02 AM): I love it.
Huggybear747 (2:50:08 AM): I love you man.
OctopusFleg (2:50:18 AM): i am no accomplished writer
OctopusFleg (2:50:22 AM): but u know me
Huggybear747 (2:50:25 AM): You are a great man that knows many great things.
OctopusFleg (2:50:52 AM): so whether u think im a damn fool or not has nothing to do with my spelling at one point in time
Huggybear747 (2:50:55 AM): You have tremendous insight for such a little whippersnapper.
OctopusFleg (2:51:09 AM): you can think im a damn fool, which is fine
OctopusFleg (2:51:12 AM): or not
OctopusFleg (2:51:32 AM): but a single mistake based on your rhetoric shouldn't decide this
OctopusFleg (2:51:41 AM): i can never tel if your sarcastic or not
Huggybear747 (2:51:44 AM): Laughter is good.
OctopusFleg (2:51:45 AM): online
OctopusFleg (2:51:56 AM): is a tough medium for sarcasm
OctopusFleg (2:52:13 AM): so usually i don't look too deep into those comments, haha
Huggybear747 (2:52:17 AM): oh, the lesson is learned.
OctopusFleg (2:52:25 AM): indeed
OctopusFleg (2:52:37 AM): laughter is great
Huggybear747 (2:52:57 AM): Just spell right to the best of your abilities.
OctopusFleg (2:53:46 AM): i will
OctopusFleg (2:54:00 AM): comfortable always has given me trouble
OctopusFleg (2:54:12 AM): i don't think ill forget the spelling after all of this, haha
Huggybear747 (2:54:16 AM): I can't say SPECIFIC too well
Huggybear747 (2:54:21 AM): and I always mumble
OctopusFleg (2:54:36 AM): tomorrow
Huggybear747 (2:54:38 AM): and speak alot of bullshit
OctopusFleg (2:54:42 AM): i recently learned that one
OctopusFleg (2:54:58 AM): we all do
Huggybear747 (2:55:01 AM): Sometimes, being the fool is the true genius.
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